yep, completely agree. Renault have had a string of terrible liveries since they won the championship – last years was the exception to the rule. Now back to this, which is terrible.
The gold is a horrible colour and the lines are too thick!
Completely agree about the thick line a. I really loike this livery, then after I saw the Team Lotus livery that you linked to, 30 seconds looking at that makes this one look like a marker pen and ruler job.
Hah! Funny, but honestly the majority of F1 viewers will never see it in person, so who cares. What’s important is how it looks on TV. The basic livery doesn’t bother me, even the overly thick gold lines. What I find unappealing is the red… but I have to say after seeing the whole car and all the team gear, I’m softening to it a bit and think I could grow to like it over time. It’s kind of the colors of Germany, http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarz-Rot-Gold
I don’t think the basic car is too bad actually. I just wish they didn’t needlessly dredge up an old liverly without having a sponsor that fits it. The livery is bad, with the gold too thick, the red looking ridiculous and the lotus badge being over-large, but I think the car underneath looks quite good. I prefer it to the Ferrari.
Its ugly only because of the red endplates that don’t match the rest of the livery. If the endplates were white with complimentary lettering then I think it would be pretty bad@$$ looking
Well i have noticed on a youtube video that the R31 has got a different front wing to the rest by having two blades sticking upright rather then sideways which is indeed different.
Actually just go to the offcial f1 website they have a picture of the front wing and it is indeed a blade, and it has got a few more extras which you cant really see on the video.
Apparently it has no exhaust outlets to be seen at the rear of the car. Some reports suggest that the exhaust gases are directed towards the front of the car and blown over a sort of front diffuser. Maybe this could be the innovative and aggressive design feature Renault kept referring to.
looks like Renault is playing hide and seek. They have shown us an old car and a render of the livery in November, the old car a couple of weeks ago, now they show the definite livery on a new but not complete car.
But from what Scarbs writes on that car it is exiting as they might well have done someting new, if they actually make it work.
Keith (or anyone with the skills) that you can put up split front end comparison against all the cars as they launch… so we can look at half a Ferrari against half a Renault or Virgin and Lotus and so on and so forth? I know it probably takes a lot of time, but it would be cool to view the differences in a split screen format.
Looking nice, but not that revolutionary as I was hyped.
There are quite meaningful changes mainly on front part, which aren’t so obvious at a first glance.
If the exhaust does turn out to exit in front of the sidepods to feed airflow under the floor, then I would call that revolutionary whether or not it works.
Black and gold on a car with all the right curves in all the right places? It’s a damn sight better than Sauber’s grade-school effort, or Lotus’ inability to make the background of sponsor decals appear the same colour as the rest of the car.
I think a lot of people are just opposed to it because they don’t like Dany Bahar.
Nope, Team Lotus is. That giant yellow streak on the rear of their engine cowling goes against the lines of the car. It’s like cutting a piece of wood across the grain.
Team Lotus doesn’t look that bad, infact it has a unique and original colour scheme that actually works. The Lotus Renault on the other hand is has a couple of fat ugly gold lines running in random places on the car, and the Red Total end plates and side view mirrors make me wanna throw up.
Haha! This is getting to be fun to read! Fight, fight, fight, fight! My Lotus is awesome and your Lotus is terrible! No, your Renault is terrible and my Lotus is awesome! Can we all just agree that the Sauber is the worst? PM hit the nail on the head, grade school effort.
@PM, I think you’ll see the final painted Lotus will look better than the early shots where the logos are clearly stickers, and it’s impossible to match a color exactly between a sticker and a paint. As far as the yellow bit at the back I don’t know what you’re on about, I think it’s the best part and a big improvement over last year’s livery.
I’m opposed to Dany Bahar because I don’t like Dany Bahar.
I’m under whelmed by this because it should have been so much more. And there has been so much stuff about Group Lotus that everyone knew what this was going to look like anyway…
I actually think the Sauber is quite good when it appears on the track, I do not find it an eyesore at all. This, with the jarring red and white on ‘black’ and gold is just ridiculous in comparison.
And no, alot of people dont like dany Bahar. Which I think makes then a better judge of many things, who knows, maybe liveries amongst them ;)
You’re right – this is aweosme looking. While some people complain about the fat lines, I don’t think the slim lines on Senna’s John Player Lotus would work on the current architecture or design of F1 cars. It may not be catchy and so I think the fat lines are great. The view from the top is most splendid, with the sponsor logos adding to the effect! But I did like the Team Lotus livery too – two represenations of Chapman’s dream?
I figure the Fernandes-Bahar issue could be clouding the minds of many. Anything Renault or Group Lotus does is horrid, preposterous, ugly, stupid and irritating for them, while anything Team Lotus does is awesome, glorious, beautiful, pioneering and the best thing to happen to Formula 1!
I figure the Fernandes-Bahar issue could be clouding the minds of many.
Agreed. I really like the Team Lotus livery, and I’m about 90% behind this livery mainly just because I miss last year’s bumblebee livery and I can’t get too excited about the red bits. They’re both a lot better than most of the liveries on the grid though in my opinion.
The curves are nice, the paint-job looks awful… hideous in fact, the gold stripes are big no-no, it’s far too cluttered. And as for the red bits… :s
But we’ll see how it looks on TV, unfair to judge when colours and form designed for movement and daylit video are seen statically under a mix of light temperatures
Has any one else noticed the floor? Is that normal, looks like a double diffuser upside Down. And seems to run around the outside of the side pods to the rear wheels
Yeah, it’s really really pretty, I actually love the red, I think it contrasts from the black in a very striking manner.
An there are so many facinaiting things on that car, doubtless to be copied, outwashes for the rear tyres being one, WHERE ARE THE EXHAUSTS being another. So many details, I have found my first pet favourite of the 2011 season. Lotus gets a meh, the Ferrari is a little bit scary, Merc looks someone’s thrown a platypus at a wall of aluminium.
But the Renault?
What. A. Beauty.
Even the Lotus badge looks good.
Gets a freakin A.
If you look at the Team Lotus version they would have run, this one get more ugly by the second, kinda looks like they let someones wife loose with a ruler and a gold marker pen :)
If you look at the Team Lotus version they would have run, this one get more ugly by the second, kinda looks like they let someones wife loose with a ruler and a gold marker pen :)
Seriously, look at this car for at least 30 seconds, then look at the Lotus Renault…. Then think, if they were girls, which one would you rather kiss. Elegance wins every time over bulky lines and red blotches.
Well I did it an I’d still rather kiss my girlfriend, that’s allowed right?
I prefer the Lotus Renault version because it’s on a real car, I also quite like the Red despite the hate it’s getting. Adds the modern element to the retro livery.
(Your kinda right, Teams design was good, but you know, I like them in green.)
I don’t understand all the hate either, I think it looks fantastic! You do wonder whether the Team vs Group debate is colouring people’s judgements, it’s somehow unacceptable to think both the Lotus and the Renault look great, as I do!
*sarcasm*Nice livery, I’m gonna start smoking now. *sarcasm*
Their diffuser seems bigger than Ferrari’s. Front nose seems lower than other cars as well.
Joe Szpara
31st January 2011, 11:39
Dosent look as extreme as i expected :(
RIISE (@riise)
31st January 2011, 11:45
Looks as ugly as I expected.
Macca25
31st January 2011, 12:25
And the winner of the uglyest car 2011 goes to…
sw6569 (@sw6569)
31st January 2011, 12:36
yep, completely agree. Renault have had a string of terrible liveries since they won the championship – last years was the exception to the rule. Now back to this, which is terrible.
The gold is a horrible colour and the lines are too thick!
sw6569 (@sw6569)
31st January 2011, 12:45
Oh, this is what the team lotus effort would have looked like in comparison. Its far superior!
http://twitpic.com/3v36ca/full
[stole the link from ajokay I think]
;379
31st January 2011, 12:49
the lotus version of that scheme looks stunning. so much more elegant
Hare
31st January 2011, 18:56
Completely agree about the thick line a. I really loike this livery, then after I saw the Team Lotus livery that you linked to, 30 seconds looking at that makes this one look like a marker pen and ruler job.
cubejam (@cubejam)
31st January 2011, 19:15
It looks incredible in person mate. You’re completely and utterly wrong. and I am completely and utterly right. It looks great. end.
US_Peter (@us_peter)
31st January 2011, 21:10
Hah! Funny, but honestly the majority of F1 viewers will never see it in person, so who cares. What’s important is how it looks on TV. The basic livery doesn’t bother me, even the overly thick gold lines. What I find unappealing is the red… but I have to say after seeing the whole car and all the team gear, I’m softening to it a bit and think I could grow to like it over time. It’s kind of the colors of Germany, http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarz-Rot-Gold
kirk
31st January 2011, 13:04
Team Lotus?
Macca25
31st January 2011, 13:22
The Lotus version is 100% better than the Renault version.
Craig Woollard (@craig-o)
31st January 2011, 13:12
Ugly usually equals fast though…
Todfod (@todfod)
31st January 2011, 13:20
Tell that to the BMW Sauber team, in regards to their 2009 challenger
matt90 (@matt90)
31st January 2011, 16:25
I don’t think the basic car is too bad actually. I just wish they didn’t needlessly dredge up an old liverly without having a sponsor that fits it. The livery is bad, with the gold too thick, the red looking ridiculous and the lotus badge being over-large, but I think the car underneath looks quite good. I prefer it to the Ferrari.
Hare
31st January 2011, 18:47
Completely agree. When you look at the team lotus version, it’s got not glass. Looks more chav than charming.
http://twitpic.com/3v36ca/full
damonsmedley
31st January 2011, 22:36
Renault. But the car itself is absolutely stunning! If you ignore the livery, this is by far the best looking car so far.
Fer no.65 (@fer-no65)
31st January 2011, 13:12
spot on. It’s horrid
DaveBanchero (@mfdb)
31st January 2011, 14:01
The car looks ok, but the red wings and mirrors look absolutely ridiculous…
Becken
31st January 2011, 14:18
Video with the lauch: http://bit.ly/eHgKKy
SeattleChris (@seattlechris)
31st January 2011, 23:27
Its ugly only because of the red endplates that don’t match the rest of the livery. If the endplates were white with complimentary lettering then I think it would be pretty bad@$$ looking
Pedal to the Vettel (@pedal-to-the-vettel)
31st January 2011, 13:05
Well i have noticed on a youtube video that the R31 has got a different front wing to the rest by having two blades sticking upright rather then sideways which is indeed different.
Pedal to the Vettel (@pedal-to-the-vettel)
31st January 2011, 13:19
Sauber have done the same thing, but a less extreme version.
sw6569 (@sw6569)
31st January 2011, 13:27
what video is this?
Pedal to the Vettel (@pedal-to-the-vettel)
31st January 2011, 13:32
Go to youtube and put this in and stop at 0:12:
Lotus Renault GP R31 2011 Presentation (Valencia 31.01.11)
It’s not a very good video but you can just make it out.
Pedal to the Vettel (@pedal-to-the-vettel)
31st January 2011, 13:38
tbh it could just be a support and that it just looks like a blade from that angle. needs more pictures of it really.
Pedal to the Vettel (@pedal-to-the-vettel)
31st January 2011, 13:45
Actually just go to the offcial f1 website they have a picture of the front wing and it is indeed a blade, and it has got a few more extras which you cant really see on the video.
Pedal to the Vettel (@pedal-to-the-vettel)
31st January 2011, 13:58
The BBC website have got a nice angle of the size the blade aswell, sw6569.
It’s in the article “F1 teams unveil new cars” image 3 of 7.
sw6569 (@sw6569)
31st January 2011, 14:18
I’ve taken a look and honestly, i’m not sure what im looking for! Where on the front wing?
;379
31st January 2011, 14:13
Apparently it has no exhaust outlets to be seen at the rear of the car. Some reports suggest that the exhaust gases are directed towards the front of the car and blown over a sort of front diffuser. Maybe this could be the innovative and aggressive design feature Renault kept referring to.
sw6569 (@sw6569)
31st January 2011, 14:19
yep i’m hearing this rumour too.
Pedal to the Vettel (@pedal-to-the-vettel)
31st January 2011, 14:30
@sw6569:
The blades im on about are the ones closest to the nose with the small holes in them.
sw6569 (@sw6569)
31st January 2011, 15:08
soooo
who’s going to explain to me how an exhaust driven front diffuser would work? [EDFD definitely won’t catch on. My prediction is X duct. :P]
Scarbs has apparently confirmed on twitter that there is no exhaust on the renault…
Pedal to the Vettel (@pedal-to-the-vettel)
31st January 2011, 15:22
Funny enough there isn’t really one decent close up shot of the front wing, maybe they are trying to hide something?
BasCB (@bascb)
31st January 2011, 19:47
looks like Renault is playing hide and seek. They have shown us an old car and a render of the livery in November, the old car a couple of weeks ago, now they show the definite livery on a new but not complete car.
But from what Scarbs writes on that car it is exiting as they might well have done someting new, if they actually make it work.
topdowntoedown (@topdowntoedown)
1st February 2011, 10:08
That’s interesting… but why couldn’t they just take the exhausts out underneath, to pump more air under the diffuser?
Does the ‘flat floor’ have to be flat without any holes?
SeattleChris (@seattlechris)
31st January 2011, 23:31
Keith (or anyone with the skills) that you can put up split front end comparison against all the cars as they launch… so we can look at half a Ferrari against half a Renault or Virgin and Lotus and so on and so forth? I know it probably takes a lot of time, but it would be cool to view the differences in a split screen format.
Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys)
31st January 2011, 11:39
Oh, be still my beating heart!
She’s gorgeous!
Leftie (@leftie)
31st January 2011, 11:41
So far she is :) Need more angles for a final judgement though
BBT
31st January 2011, 11:49
I was nearly sick. Worse car yet by a mile, good job looks don’t matter.
BasCB (@bascb)
31st January 2011, 19:49
there’s quite a few angles covered here:
http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2011/01/31/renault-r31-launch-details-and-analysis/
the details of that car do get me exited, the livery not really into a smoke.
d-d
31st January 2011, 11:51
Looking nice, but not that revolutionary as I was hyped.
There are quite meaningful changes mainly on front part, which aren’t so obvious at a first glance.
US_Peter (@us_peter)
31st January 2011, 21:22
If the exhaust does turn out to exit in front of the sidepods to feed airflow under the floor, then I would call that revolutionary whether or not it works.
d-d
1st February 2011, 1:46
Yeah, it was a hot assessment, now after news about exhaust I would change my mind, totally :)
Todfod (@todfod)
31st January 2011, 12:01
Gorgeous?!? That car’s livery is fugly
Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys)
31st January 2011, 12:04
Black and gold on a car with all the right curves in all the right places? It’s a damn sight better than Sauber’s grade-school effort, or Lotus’ inability to make the background of sponsor decals appear the same colour as the rest of the car.
I think a lot of people are just opposed to it because they don’t like Dany Bahar.
RIISE (@riise)
31st January 2011, 12:08
No, they are opposed to it because it’s the worse looking car on the grid.
Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys)
31st January 2011, 12:11
Nope, Team Lotus is. That giant yellow streak on the rear of their engine cowling goes against the lines of the car. It’s like cutting a piece of wood across the grain.
Todfod (@todfod)
31st January 2011, 12:20
Team Lotus doesn’t look that bad, infact it has a unique and original colour scheme that actually works. The Lotus Renault on the other hand is has a couple of fat ugly gold lines running in random places on the car, and the Red Total end plates and side view mirrors make me wanna throw up.
Mike
31st January 2011, 12:40
He says while praising the Renault.
US_Peter (@us_peter)
31st January 2011, 21:33
Haha! This is getting to be fun to read! Fight, fight, fight, fight! My Lotus is awesome and your Lotus is terrible! No, your Renault is terrible and my Lotus is awesome! Can we all just agree that the Sauber is the worst? PM hit the nail on the head, grade school effort.
@PM, I think you’ll see the final painted Lotus will look better than the early shots where the logos are clearly stickers, and it’s impossible to match a color exactly between a sticker and a paint. As far as the yellow bit at the back I don’t know what you’re on about, I think it’s the best part and a big improvement over last year’s livery.
Mike
31st January 2011, 12:12
I’m opposed to Dany Bahar because I don’t like Dany Bahar.
I’m under whelmed by this because it should have been so much more. And there has been so much stuff about Group Lotus that everyone knew what this was going to look like anyway…
This is the least exciting thing I’ve seen today.
Glorstensen (@glorstensen)
31st January 2011, 12:22
So you must have seen a little ;)
US_Peter (@us_peter)
31st January 2011, 21:34
Quote of the day.
Pedal to the Vettel (@pedal-to-the-vettel)
31st January 2011, 12:13
I like the look of it as well PM. The more I look at it the more I do and already liking it more then the 2010 paintjob.
David A
31st January 2011, 12:15
For me the red completely wrecks it.
Calum
31st January 2011, 15:59
Totally agree…. :P
Henry
31st January 2011, 15:35
It is an ugly car. Simple.
I actually think the Sauber is quite good when it appears on the track, I do not find it an eyesore at all. This, with the jarring red and white on ‘black’ and gold is just ridiculous in comparison.
And no, alot of people dont like dany Bahar. Which I think makes then a better judge of many things, who knows, maybe liveries amongst them ;)
PT
31st January 2011, 16:07
PM,
You’re right – this is aweosme looking. While some people complain about the fat lines, I don’t think the slim lines on Senna’s John Player Lotus would work on the current architecture or design of F1 cars. It may not be catchy and so I think the fat lines are great. The view from the top is most splendid, with the sponsor logos adding to the effect! But I did like the Team Lotus livery too – two represenations of Chapman’s dream?
I figure the Fernandes-Bahar issue could be clouding the minds of many. Anything Renault or Group Lotus does is horrid, preposterous, ugly, stupid and irritating for them, while anything Team Lotus does is awesome, glorious, beautiful, pioneering and the best thing to happen to Formula 1!
US_Peter (@us_peter)
31st January 2011, 21:37
Agreed. I really like the Team Lotus livery, and I’m about 90% behind this livery mainly just because I miss last year’s bumblebee livery and I can’t get too excited about the red bits. They’re both a lot better than most of the liveries on the grid though in my opinion.
BasCB (@bascb)
31st January 2011, 19:50
But is just as much only half finished, in both cases probably on purpose not to show the important bits earlier than neccissary.
Henry
31st January 2011, 12:09
Bloody ugly you mean!
Dafffid (@dafffid)
31st January 2011, 12:10
The curves are nice, the paint-job looks awful… hideous in fact, the gold stripes are big no-no, it’s far too cluttered. And as for the red bits… :s
But we’ll see how it looks on TV, unfair to judge when colours and form designed for movement and daylit video are seen statically under a mix of light temperatures
The edge
31st January 2011, 12:42
Has any one else noticed the floor? Is that normal, looks like a double diffuser upside Down. And seems to run around the outside of the side pods to the rear wheels
BasCB (@bascb)
31st January 2011, 19:51
Saw that as well. Looks like they are doing some interesting things with the upper side of the floor and bodywork over it.
Icthyes (@icthyes)
31st January 2011, 12:35
+1 zillion
Scribe (@scribe)
31st January 2011, 16:22
Yeah, it’s really really pretty, I actually love the red, I think it contrasts from the black in a very striking manner.
An there are so many facinaiting things on that car, doubtless to be copied, outwashes for the rear tyres being one, WHERE ARE THE EXHAUSTS being another. So many details, I have found my first pet favourite of the 2011 season. Lotus gets a meh, the Ferrari is a little bit scary, Merc looks someone’s thrown a platypus at a wall of aluminium.
But the Renault?
What. A. Beauty.
Even the Lotus badge looks good.
Gets a freakin A.
Hare
31st January 2011, 18:38
If you look at the Team Lotus version they would have run, this one get more ugly by the second, kinda looks like they let someones wife loose with a ruler and a gold marker pen :)
Hare
31st January 2011, 18:41
If you look at the Team Lotus version they would have run, this one get more ugly by the second, kinda looks like they let someones wife loose with a ruler and a gold marker pen :)
http://twitpic.com/3v36ca/full
Seriously, look at this car for at least 30 seconds, then look at the Lotus Renault…. Then think, if they were girls, which one would you rather kiss. Elegance wins every time over bulky lines and red blotches.
Hare
31st January 2011, 18:54
Um, iPads are good at double posts?
US_Peter (@us_peter)
31st January 2011, 21:51
Uh oh, don’t say that, I’m planning to get an iPad in the next couple of weeks.
Scribe (@scribe)
31st January 2011, 22:55
Well I did it an I’d still rather kiss my girlfriend, that’s allowed right?
I prefer the Lotus Renault version because it’s on a real car, I also quite like the Red despite the hate it’s getting. Adds the modern element to the retro livery.
(Your kinda right, Teams design was good, but you know, I like them in green.)
Tom L. (@tom-l)
31st January 2011, 12:59
I don’t understand all the hate either, I think it looks fantastic! You do wonder whether the Team vs Group debate is colouring people’s judgements, it’s somehow unacceptable to think both the Lotus and the Renault look great, as I do!
Solo (@solo)
31st January 2011, 13:56
It’s a matter of taste. To me that livery is badly executed. Very badly executed.
Pedal to the Vettel (@pedal-to-the-vettel)
31st January 2011, 14:06
I like marmite, some people hate it ofc, tbh that car is looking like the only car I would lick to see how it tasted…
Todfod (@todfod)
31st January 2011, 18:49
I really do not care about the bahar vs fernandes issue. The car is just butt ugly, and has absolutely butchered the classic lotus livery
Hallard
31st January 2011, 20:13
LOVE the shape of the car…the tight rear end packaging, the low and compact nosecone…
HATE the livery, especially compared with last year’s beatiful black and yellow.
John H
31st January 2011, 23:07
All these cars look like the RB6. I was hoping for some innovation, all I’m seeing is coke bottles – launch time is not that exciting at the moment.
Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys)
31st January 2011, 11:41
I saw Keith on the live stream!
US_Peter (@us_peter)
31st January 2011, 22:53
Nice! The live stream was much too early for me.
geo132 (@geo132)
31st January 2011, 11:41
*sarcasm*Nice livery, I’m gonna start smoking now. *sarcasm*
Their diffuser seems bigger than Ferrari’s. Front nose seems lower than other cars as well.