Toro Rosso: Team draw level with Sauber in championship

30 comments on “Toro Rosso: Team draw level with Sauber in championship”

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   BasCB (@bascb)
   31st October 2011, 13:27

   I would love someone to find out why we suddenly had so many gearbox and engine issues this weekend. Might it be it was the sand and dust and dirt doing it?
   Or did teams bring parts that were at the end of their life cycle, that does not sound logical though. They have enough gearboxes and engines left not to have to do that.
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      Ben Everard (@beneverard)
      31st October 2011, 13:31

      How do you know they have enough gearboxes / engines left? Neither the FIA or the teams release such data.
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         BasCB (@bascb)
         31st October 2011, 13:51

         That’s true @beneverard, we can’t be sure about it.

         But last year there were several times where teams had blown engines and still they all managed without too many problems, so it should not be a problem this year, should it?
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      wasiF1 (@wasif1)
      1st November 2011, 3:00

      @BasCB two things as @beneverard pointed out that towards the end of the season you can expect that & secondly this track had a lot of dust,I wonder that played a role may be a smaller one.
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   ed24f1 (@ed24f1)
   31st October 2011, 13:34

   Bad luck for Buemi, he needed some points, and it was terrible timing to have a failure.

   I don’t think either deserve to be sacked, but Buemi may have to be just so they can accomodate Ricciardo and Vergne.
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      Fixy (@)
      31st October 2011, 14:11

      When such a situation as this, when both drivers desperately need points to be in F1 next year, it’s a pity one of them retires. Their qualifying was excellent, and both were strong in the race. Alguersuari continues to impress, sadly Buemi retired because it would’ve been a perfect weekend for STR.
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         Fixy (@)
         31st October 2011, 14:13

         @ed24f1 probably if Red Bull want Ricciardo in the car (if they’re satisfied with him – otherwise Vergne) they’ll probably drop Buemi, which is a shame as, as you say, neither deserves to be sacked.
         I’m happy STR is improving, but I’m also a Sauber fan and it’s not nice to see these two battling each other. I’d prefer both were ahead of FI, and as much as I hate Sauber falling behind I love STR progressing.
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         ed24f1 (@ed24f1)
         31st October 2011, 14:27

         @Fixy Yes, and Buemi had the wheel falling off at Suzuka when running in the points, and was taken out by Buemi at Spa while running 5th from memory, so he hasn’t had much luck. No wonder why he was supposedly ‘close to tears’ after India.

         I agree about Sauber, I’d personally like to see them above FI and STR. I do like STR’s current driver line-up though.
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   Fer no.65 (@fer-no65)
   31st October 2011, 13:38

   Sad Toro Rosso found this kind of pace so late in the season. Alguersuari in particular’s having a spectacular second half of the year.
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   Magnificent Geoffrey (@magnificent-geoffrey)
   31st October 2011, 13:43

   If only Sauber didn’t get DQ’d in Melbourne, that’s all I’m going to say.
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      ed24f1 (@ed24f1)
      31st October 2011, 14:23

      @MagnificentGeoffrey They probably lost just as many points at Monza with their mechanical issues while running strongly.
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         ed24f1 (@ed24f1)
         31st October 2011, 14:28

         Oh, I need a dash to tag you, @Magnificent-Geoffrey I wonder how many people have been caught out by that so far, I know I’ve seen a few (many of them myself)! :P
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            Magnificent Geoffrey (@magnificent-geoffrey)
            31st October 2011, 14:47

            @ed24f1 It’s into the double figures already, I can tell you that! :P
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               BasCB (@bascb)
               31st October 2011, 14:53

               @magnificent-geoffrey, I think I’ve had a couple of them as well, as did @damonsmedley
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               Magnificent Geoffrey (@magnificent-geoffrey)
               31st October 2011, 15:03

               @ed24f1 @BasCB Does this help? I’ve changed my name, now.
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               BasCB (@bascb)
               31st October 2011, 15:08

               @Magnificent-Geoffrey its easier for us that way. I can just copy past and add the @ now.
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            ed24f1 (@ed24f1)
            31st October 2011, 15:21

            Yeah, that helps, thanks! I think the problem before was that different users with spaces in their name had different usernames, for example I think Keith just removed the space rather than having a hyphen.
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         Magnificent Geoffrey (@magnificent-geoffrey)
         31st October 2011, 14:30

         @ed24f1 Yeah, but mechanical issues could happen to anyone at anytime. Technical infringements are something that happen very rarely and shouldn’t really happen at all. It’s the Melbourne points that they threw away that I’m most annoyed about.
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            ed24f1 (@ed24f1)
            31st October 2011, 15:26

            @Magnificent-Geoffrey True, although I’m sure Toro Rosso would say the same thing about not fastening their wheels properly in China and Suzuka, as that was a similarly needless mistake.

            Unfortunately, 2011 has been the direct opposite of 2010 for them, in that this year they were strong at the beginning and poor at the end.
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   marco_ferrari
   31st October 2011, 13:45

   Jaime still has a chance to finish inside the top 10 in Drivers Championship, so I hope he will achieve another great results in last two races…
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   d3v0 (@d3v0)
   31st October 2011, 14:23

   My heart went out to Buemi when that engine went, the guy was clearly keeping pace with fast cars in front and behind. Did anyone notice how quickly he dispatched the cars that it took Algersuari a bit longer to figure out how to overtake? Hes a good racer, and was on track for a strong result. He and I were both screaming no, no no! as that engine blew during the broadcast. especially since hes my second driver and STR is my team for my F1 fantasy league :D
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      Mr draw
      31st October 2011, 16:58

      He was the quickest in the speed traps. Usually when an engine nears the end of its life, it delivers more power, so maybe that might have been the case. But it’s a shame he had to retire again in this season without many retirements.
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   smifaye (@)
   31st October 2011, 14:30

   When you think that back in 2009 the team that Toro Rosso have just drawn level with were called BMW (albeit with quite a few changes) it is pretty impressive. I’ve really warmed to Toro Rosso and especially Jamie Alguersuari’s ability as a driver who is completely worthy of his spot in F1.

   I’m glad to see them being the best of the rest most weekends, it’s just a shame there is such a gap between the midfield and the top.
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   electrolite (@electrolite)
   31st October 2011, 16:00

   Argh come on Sauber…I admire Toro Rosso’s amazing pace at the minute but seriously. i just hope they’re focussing on next year, which is fair enough, and it seems it’s been that way for a while. But now they could lose out on the extra prize money 7th would give them, let alone 6th which they lost to FI a while back.

   Buemi looked so, so frustrated after his retirement. I don’t blame him. That was the last thing a Toro Rosso driver losing to his team mate at the end of the season needs.
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   tflb1 (@)
   31st October 2011, 18:00

   There’s a rumour that Red Bull might buy HRT next year, so perhaps Jaime and Buemi’s seats are safe for next year. Certainly neither of them deserves the sack.
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      celeste (@celeste)
      1st November 2011, 0:19

      But on the other hand, there is also the rumor of Red Bull selling Toro Rosso, so I wouldn´t hope for the buy inmediatly.

      Beside with this economy I don´t think even Red Bull has the kind of money to have three teams on F1. Didi (Red Bull owner) is a smart man and he doesn´t more than he can handle.
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    Mikemat5150 (@mikemat5150)
    1st November 2011, 0:47

    I gotta say I think Buemi is going to be done after this season at Toro Rosso. Jamie has been on an upswing and I see Ricciardo getting the vacated seat with Vergne in as reserve…

    Hopefully Buemi can find another ride or perhaps get a factory prototype drive? He should get in contact with Toyota
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    wasiF1 (@wasif1)
    1st November 2011, 3:02

    Tough luck for Buemi but happy that Alguersuari is getting stronger & stronger for the 2013 promotion.
12. 

    Eggry (@eggry)
    1st November 2011, 4:12

    Amazing performance since 2008. with better car two drivers could show their real potential.
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    AndrewTanner (@andrewtanner)
    2nd November 2011, 10:28

    I can’t really understand all this talk of Buemi having to leave over Alguersuari. Admittedly there is very little hope of Buemi catching Alguersuari in the points but I wouldn’t say that either driver is exactly crushing the other.

    I think they should stick with they’re line-up to be honest. I would love to see new talent but let’s just remember how young these guys are and how only last year STR had to design their own car. That’s one hell of a learning curve for all involved.

    Good result for Alguersuari again :D

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