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Manor would “make no sense” for Maldonado

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In the round-up: Pastor Maldonado’s manager says it would make no sense for him to chase one of the remaining F1 seats at Manor.

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  • 49 comments on “Manor would “make no sense” for Maldonado”

    1. The comment of the day is correct that an F1 team is by and large a terrible financial prospect. The old saying is how to make a small fortune in F1? Start with a large one. F1 makes sense for say Mercedes as it’s starting to bring the brand exposure and association of the pinnacle of car technology to said brand, but for most F1 is a passion project.

      Carlos Slim obviously has an interest in the sport, funding two drivers also doesn’t make much financial sense, who know he certainly has enough money for a vanity project like an F1 team. Who would ever have imagined the owner or a fizzy, caffeinated sugary tin of poison to go on to fund 4 back to back championships.

      Sometimes for these people leaving your mark on the world is as important as the number on financial statements.

    2. Quite a humble article by Pedro, very interesting.

      Although I’m not so sure about Renault’s advertising strategy…. #hearuscoming?
      Are they really sure they want to highlight the bit that the layman didn’t like?

      1. You mean the bit that 29% didn’t like. (F1 fanatic survey)

    3. With Maldonado’s luck, Manor will probably end up being faster than Renault this year!

      1. Pastor has no luck, good or bad. He was the master of his own demise.

        Everyone involved with him, however, had bad luck.

        1. He did have that one win, however it was the same race that the Williams garage caught fire.

        2. Correction, Pastor has no money which is the only thing keeping him out of F1, even at Manor.

    4. Well it’s going to be a brave driver that is going to point out the obvious failings of Bernies big idea with Bernie sitting at the table. Pirelli should have polled the drivers separately and recorded their views without accreditation for discussion with management.

      1. @hohum I hear that he actually supported the drivers view regarding the tyres this time round.

        I also hear that there is still no contract in place with Pirelli beyond this season & that despite things moving along as if there is, Its still no 100% out of the question that their could still be a change in supplier.

        1. @gt-racer, I guess I’ll have to give Bernie credit for sticking to his guns, both before and after he finally changes his mind.

        2. I hear that he actually supported the drivers view regarding the tyres this time round

          So he’s backing the drivers in opposition to a tyre supplied by a supplier he chose which is making tyres to a fulfil a brief he requested. Only Bernie…

    5. For a team with as much power as MERC has it’s disappointing they seem unable to bring new talent into the sport.

      Red Bull is the benchmark in this aspect and nobody can say they haven’t wow’ed the entire F1 world with their commitment to their young drivers and actually getting them seats in competitive cars.

      5 of the top drivers in F1 right now are direct RB products.

      MERC: 0
      MAC: 1
      FER: 0 (reset because of our loss of Jules)

      1. People badmouth Toro Rosso and Red Bull for kicking out drivers that don’t perform to their standards (Buemi and Alguersuari, among others) but they’re the only team that puts talent first when selecting rookies.

        1. Lots of people don’t understand that that’s the only way the program can work: by regularly making space for new drivers. Those that are the real deal will stay in F1 regardless, those that aren’t probably wouldn’t have entered F1 to begin with.

          The drivers know it too when they sign up. It’s perform well and move up, or don’t and move out. If they keep performing to the highest standard, they will get into F1. That much is fair. And they also know the system is only possible if the STR drivers move up or out after a few years at most.

          1. Perez was joined the Ferrari Driver academy which got him his 2011 Sauber seat. He left when he signed for McLaren.

            1. @Asanator

              Thanks for that, I did forget perez. Tally amended:

              5 of the top drivers in F1 right now are direct RB products.

              MERC: 0
              MAC: 1
              FER: 0.5

      2. I don’t see it really. Vettel was a BMW find wasn’t he? He was going to make it anyway, like Max. McLaren/Merc have their own programme which found Hamilton. Red Bull introduce certain ‘decent’ drivers, who are in f1 instead of others. There are 22 drivers in F1.

        1. ColdFly F1 (@)
          3rd February 2016, 11:39

          Good point @lockup!
          And accepting that Vettel is from the BMW acadamy, who is the latest WDC from the RBR young-driver programme?

        2. @lockup @coldfly I think Marko was loaning him to BMW as they were a much faster outfit at the time – they had their own junior in Kubica who was their main priority.

          1. Ah that rings a bell @fastiesty. Still, Schumi was supporting Seb wasn’t he, so I still reckon Seb was getting into F1 anyway.

            1. @lockup Yeah, like you say, Hamilton and Vettel are basically the same idea achieved through different means. Max will probably become the next archetypal F1 development route (Verstappen or Chilton!).

        3. @lockup how was Vettel a BMW find? He was enlisted in the RBR Junior Team from 1998, just a few years after he started driving karts and well before he debuted in anything BMW-related. How do you know he would have made it without RBR grooming and funding him?
          Same thing with Max – he “would have” made it. Sure, who would have given him a shot and when?
          I mean, we’ve seen how easy it is for talent to go wasted. Ask Frijns. Didn’t enter a junior programme, and is now doing GT’s.

          You can’t just belittle RBR’s junior programme because you don’t like RBR (I presume). The progress rate from any junior programme other than RBR’s is ridiculously low.

          As for the “decent” drivers: well, F1F’s recent driver rankings had 4 RBR products in the top 10. You can say what you want but they let their drivers in F1 on a regular basis and they are good to excellent. No other junior programme can say that.

          1. But what difference does Red Bull make exactly @mattds, in terms of the sport? Would Seb have been overlooked without them? And if so, who would have been in F1 instead? Someone really exciting, perhaps!

            Max, with Jos the Boss behind him, was going to make it. He didn’t even need to do the really expensive series..

            It’s great for the individual drivers they choose, but it’s very arguable that Red Bull raises the cost for everyone else, like Robins Frijns indeed. There are 22 drivers, it’s just a case of which.

            1. @lockup

              Would Seb have been overlooked without them?

              Ask Robin Frijns.

              Red Bull raises the cost for everyone else

              Bernie – although to be fair he’s a bit of an ally with RBR……

            2. @lockup I’m sorry, but I find you reasoning too simplistic. Fact is we don’t know:
              1) whether the stars of current days would have made it
              2) in case they didn’t, whether those replacing would have been of equal quality

              Given how the trend for new drivers these last years has generally been “decent with cash back-up” instead of outright talent, it’s more probable that the level of talent would have been somewhat lower.

              But what we do know is that at least they commit. McLaren, Mercedes and Ferrari seem to just tie up drivers and let them go to waste them in the end.

            3. I was responding to a post claiming Red Bull are better @mattds not saying I know. My point was that we don’t know. Yes they might have saved us from more Maldonados, but they also fill their teams with their own drivers, so they don’t help anybody else like Vandoorne or Frijns, in fact they must help to raise the cost for others by outbidding them for seats in junior categories. They’re just a little club on their own. If you like them fine, but they’re not any kind of benefactor. And Seb, Max and Carlos for example had dads or backing anyway. It’s all perfectly okay, but nothing especially worthy.

              I don’t see how they commit more than others either. They fill their F1 seats and no more, the other hopefuls are dumped just like the other teams’ juniors. Maybe Honda will dump Jenson after the divorce and Vandoorne will get his chance.

            4. “But what difference does Red Bull make exactly @mattds, in terms of the sport?”

              More of a difference than MERC/MAC/FER combined. Did you miss that point?

              “It’s great for the individual drivers they choose, but it’s very arguable that Red Bull raises the cost for everyone else, like Robins Frijns indeed. There are 22 drivers, it’s just a case of which.”

              This is F1, stop crying about costs. Also, speaking of the difference Red Bull makes, if it wasnt for them, there would only be 18 seats…

            5. What difference to they make to the SPORT Mr X? Saying ‘more than Merc/Ferrari/Mac’ is not an answer to that question.

              It’s not F1 that Frijns is in. It’s the costs to get TO f1 that’s the point.

              Yes they employ 4 drivers, fair play. Two per team, like all the other teams.

            6. @lockup

              “What difference to they make to the SPORT Mr X? Saying ‘more than Merc/Ferrari/Mac’ is not an answer to that question.”

              It’s the start of an answer. if we can quantify “difference they make to the sport” which is impossible and why your question isnt deserving of an answer, then any quantification applied to MERC/FER/MAC would be less than the total of RB’s.

              (with regards to bringing in new talent of course)

        4. LOL @ Vettel being a BMW find.

          Keith has wrote an amazing article on Vettel’s road to F1…

    6. Exactly, RB may be a cold-hearted when it comes to saying goodbye to drivers, but RB have still provided more F1 drives than MERC + FER + MAC combined (in the last 10 years). I’d say every F1 fan has a RB graduate in their top 3-4 current drivers.

      1. haha, whoops.

    7. These days it’s very hard to lauder money in sports, the man to take on SFI needs to accept the fact that you can’t make any money from owning an f1 team.

    8. With all due respect to Pastor, Manor won’t have him as a driver if he isn’t bringing in big money. Sure, Manor needs funds, but if they are hiring a non-pay driver, they could have a hundred better drivers to choose from before they consider Pastor.

      Manor has attracted talents like Bianchi, and might get in Wehrlein in this season. So to be fair, Pastor didn’t have a shot with Manor based on his talent.

      Pastor needs to find some funding during 2016 before he can come in and wreck more cars in 2017

      1. lol yes. You are so right.

    9. I honestly had no idea Pastor was managed Nicholas Todt. Surely Pastor didn’t need help in running his career when his strategy seemed to be that he would turn up at a reputable but cash strapped team with a big chest full of US Dollars.

    10. Simulator sickness -> I had never thought about it, but it must be pretty common, considering that I remember also getting sick from playing simulator games on the PC and I was not moving!

      1. ColdFly F1 (@)
        3rd February 2016, 11:42

        I remember also getting sick from playing simulator games

        For me it was more the people living with me getting sick of it when I played a lot ;-)

        1. Yes, that happens too :-D

      2. Peppermint-Lemon (@)
        3rd February 2016, 13:33

        Michael Schumacher suffered with sim sickness when returned Merc. He couldn’t do any sim time so Nico had a huge preparation advantage.

    11. “Manor would “make no sense” for Maldonado”

      Maybe it could make sense, as they will have Mercedes engine. But in general a team like that (Manor or Caterham before) is a waste of time for any driver aiming to survive in F1. It would be a waste of time for Bruno Senna had he accepted to go there after losing the seat with Williams for 2013, as it was a waste of time for Kamui Kobayashi after he accepted to go there for 2014.

    12. Me too, @bakano. It seems legit though. I had the chance to borrow the first version of the Occulus Rift, which can also be considered as early days and it was very easy to feel motion sickness for example.

      1. @spoutnik I read that a reduction in latency solved quite a bit of that.

        It’ll be interesting when I try the Rift for myself (having myself got a bit of motion sickness). Oh wait, the money……

    13. Indeed, even if Renault refunded the $7m advance payment from last year, that’s still not enough to get a Manor F1 seat.

    14. F1 right now makes great sense for several car companies…

      #Ferrari, most prominent recepient of extra brand value. Without Scuderia, Ferrari would at best have a brand value of Masserati, Alfa Romeo or worse Lancia.

      #McLaren amazing how profitable their road car business is. All steaming from motosport mastery. Their cars reflect it greatly.

      #Mercedes. They would sell their cars just fine… But toggether with technical revolution of mercedes engine, coupled with formula 1 success, people nolonger turn to BMW for road sportsaloon.

      Makes incredible sense, Honda and Renault would love to emulate, their roadcars greatly lag behind the top.

      Maybe infusing their cars with F1 potential would help R&D and sales.

      Another team who should consider returning should be Toyota, they clearly lack turbocharging expertise… But they got burned baddly last time, focusing now on WEC rather than turbo F1.

      Porsche doesnt need F1, but in VAG Lamborgini might benefit a bit.

      So there is Value in F1 for large automakers. But, second place is hardly good enough. That is why many stay away. Imagine Audi enters and is behind Mercedes for a few year. CEO egos would never recover.

      1. @jureo I can’t help but think that McLaren, at this rate, is on the path to becoming Lotus. (No, not team Enstone)

        1. Not at all, lotus was making sexy sports cars.. trying to compete in a pretty saturated sportscar market. McLaren is going for supercar crowd. There is lots of room for excellent products there. More or less their entire supply is sold… P1 apperently is the first car that will never depreciate….

          McLaren is not trying to sell 40.000€ worth of chassis magnificence… they are selling 250.000+€ supercars. And they do it well.

    15. With all due respect to Manor……. I think Manor’s budget will be much better spent on development rather than a continuous supply of spare parts that would be needed ….

    16. Interesting in the article about Vettel and other drivers meeting regarding 2017 changes, that the teams cannot agree on the degree of aero changes they should shoot for. In other words it is obviously not crystal clear that more more more aero is the way to go as one poster in particular on this site has claimed. So it is not just one camp of fans that blindly claim more aero is not necessarily the way to go. It is F1 teams with wide open eyes too.

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