New video from Stroll’s car reveals Vettel crash view the stewards didn’t see

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Lance Stroll’s view of his collision with Sebastian Vettel has been shown for the first time in a new onboard video from the Williams driver’s car.

The pair collided at turn five on the slow down lap after the end of the Malaysian Grand Prix. Vettel blamed Stroll for the collision but the Malaysian Grand Prix stewards cleared both drivers following their investigation.

The footage shows Stroll turning left around the corner and the pair making contact after Vettel appears on his right.

Immediately after the crash Vettel told his team: “Stroll is not looking where he’s going. He completely shunted into my car.” Stroll reported Vettel “just ran right into the side of me” on his radio.

The video was not available to the Malaysian Grand Prix stewards at the time of their investigation according to Formula One broadcaster Sky, who obtained the footage.

The collision left Vettel’s Ferrari with left-rear damage which prompted concerns he might require a gearbox change and receive a five-place grid penalty. However Ferrari have confirmed the gearbox can still be used.

Stroll’s view of crash with Vettel

Stroll turns into turn five on the slowing-down lap.

As Vettel appears alongside Stroll the Williams driver appears to be the same distance from the inside of the corner as before.

The pair make contact. At this point Stroll’s steering wheel is turned slightly to the right which may have been caused by the impact with Vettel turning the rack.

The impact tore Vettel’s left-rear wheel off his Ferrari.

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  • 224 comments on “New video from Stroll’s car reveals Vettel crash view the stewards didn’t see”

    1. Why would that have not been available to the stewards?

      1. Ferrari International Assistance will be able to tell you.

          1. No deviation by Stroll whatsoever……..and He Who Can Do No Wrong
            glides quietly away to the ever sheltering RED ZONE. If you combine
            Baku and this Malaysian event with half-a-dozen other extremely
            questionable actions by this Ferrari ‘untouchable’ a very unpleasant
            stench fills the air around Formula 1.

            1. If you watch the video, you can see that if Stroll continued as he was, he would run off the road and wouldn’t make the corner.
              Stroll wasn’t turning enough on the corner, and that’s why he crashed into Vettel.
              If this happened on the road, Stroll would be blamed for the crash. Since it happened in F1, and because the FIA have a boner for Ferrari, Stroll doesn’t get blamed.
              Of course.

            2. James, It just looks that way because Grosjean was close to overtaking Stroll on the inside. Parallax makes it look like the object closest to you is moving faster

        1. @keithcollantine Are you proud of this? This video was on c4 straight away. Is this sky sports f1? When you watch the actual video of this onboard, it’s evident that Stroll wasn’t paying attention, and not turning into the corner accordingly. When you make a video such as this, you don’t show the facts, but rather what you wanted to see, are you going to suggest he wanted to collide with stroll?

          1. This video was on c4 straight away.

            I watched the post-race and saw no such thing.

          2. @peartree way to kill your credibility.

            1. @offdutyrockstar The video was shown, I was watching both c4 and sky but the video was shown. I have nothing to retreat.

          3. @peartree I’ve sent you a chill pill. No charge.

      2. One can find the video on line.

    2. Channel 4 showed the video from Stroll’s car right after the crash, not sure how is it possible that this video wasn’t available for steward to watch during investigation.

      1. Sure it was this video and not the one from the car following them? Just asking.

        1. I’m sure I saw this on Sunday straight after the event.
          Not sure which channel it was (I swap between 3-4 channels especially after the race, to cut out adverts and get the best interviews).

      2. No they didn’t. Channel 4 had the world feed pictures from Vettel’s car during the race, then in the post-race they added the view from Grosjean’s camera on the front of his car, but they didn’t show the view from Stroll’s car.

        1. The view from Grosjean’s car confuses me. That clearly seems to show Stroll moving to the right, whereas the view from Stroll’s onboard, he makes no such movement, and seems to stay the same distance from the apex…

          1. It’s seems to me that Grosjean turns left (gets closer to de kerb) and that looks as if Stroll moved right.

            1. The amount he appears to move to the right is dramatically increased because Grosjean is catching him up. The video is slowed at impact.

          2. I think Stroll did moving to the right, as you can see in the video from his onboard cam. Right before the crash, see the distance between his car and the kerb increased.

          3. Grosjean is moving left which gives the appearance of Stroll moving right quicker than he was because the kerb isn’t close enough to provide a reference.

            1. It makes you wonder if Stroll wasn’t driving too slow if he had to overtaking cars on his tail. Maybe Vettel was already comitted to his line due to him overtaking Grosjean?

          4. Michael (@freelittlebirds)
            5th October 2017, 13:15

            @hugh11 I thought the same but Grosjean turns inside – it seems that Stroll had the least blame of the 3 and kept it under control.

            1. Yeah, I think Stroll did ease slightly to the right, but Grosjean’s movement did make it seem more exaggerated. Still, I don’t think it warrants any further investigation, was just a coming together – cars overtake each other and speed up and slow down all the time on the slow down lap, nothing more to it.

          5. If you go through the Sky Sports video, at the early 42 second mark, you see Stroll’s left tyre barely to the right of the upcoming rubber marks on the left of the track. Then if you advance to the late 43 second mark (so just under 2 seconds later and right before you see Vettel alongside him), he is much further away from those same rubber marks. Those marks seem to remain at an equal distance from the apex, which is proof Stroll was drifting towards the right side of the track, not by turning to the right as the commentators pointed out, but by turning leftwards to a lesser degree than the corner. Another unfortunate racing incident for both drivers.

        2. In India we get Channel 4’s F1 coverage, and right after crash first thing they showed was Stroll and Vettel’s onboard footage of crash(watched the race again today when it was aired for the first time since last weekend). They didnt show Grosjean’s onboard till late in the show.

    3. I’m all for Vettel, blind like every tifoso should be. But from Sky’s article I assume (can’t watch the video) Stroll is 100% not guilty and this poses a great question mark on Seb.

      I mean, I can defend Baku and Singapore ’till death but this is not acceptable at all.

      1. you can defend Baku? really? what’s to defend about that?

        1. I’m done with that discussion, you can review my opinion in this thread:

          Anyway, you should upgrade your username to something like @alfagiuliaquadrifoglio or something like that ;)

          1. There was no real opinion on that thread, just untrue statements that Hamilton slowed down in front of him, and no attempt at defending the subsequent and more serious contact instigated entirely by Vettel.

      2. Farmer Palmer
        5th October 2017, 11:56

        Oh come on now. Clearly Stroll brake-tested him.

      3. I am a Tifosi too. But I think I can defend this more than Baku or Singapore.

      4. sarcasm?

        1. ‘There are none so blind as those who refuse to see stark reality.’

      5. @m-bagattini Uno momento! Why is this so conclusive? I can see a corner, but Stroll keeps going straight… Seb assumed Stroll will turn the corner and took the outside himself, albeit too close to him.
        Watch again on Sky… second 41 our 1:41, Stroll does not turn. Again not to blame anyone; Seb is taking it to the limit and assuming everything around him should be a certain way, even on the cool down lap! Sigh. I really can’t take another weekend of this.

        1. @makana they were not racing so I don’t understand why Seb had to turn so tight, so close to Stroll. Lance was maaaybe vague in his turning, but he was holding a line anyway, it’s Seb that’s trying to overtake him. Why not giving Lance more room?

          1. Maybe you should wear glasses? Stroll loosened his steering into SV because he had no clue he was there. Novice move – not paying attention.

            1. steveetienne
              6th October 2017, 6:11

              fangirl much? take the blinkers off and accept that vettel is fallible and is prone to errors of judgement

      6. Matteo bud, shame to tifosi. It’s obvious from strolls on board he eases to the right. On the stroll onboard look as he gets further away from the kerb on the right moving right and connecting with vettel who was partially by him already. C’mon bud.

        1. I mean moving away from the kerb on the left and moving to the right.

        2. It’s actually 100% clear that he doesn’t move to the right and that this is purely Vettel’s fault for cutting Stroll off.

          In fact that was already clear from the images from Grosjean, behind the two, but only when somneone draws in the distance from the kerb. Since Grosjean moves to the left and overtakes Stroll, it’s impossible to see what Stroll does from that footage. It gives the impression that Stroll veers to the right, which he clearly didn’t

      7. @m-bagattini, why should you take it as a measure of pride to be “blind like every tifoso should be” towards your favourites? To be a fan of a person or a team should not exclude any introspection or questioning why somebody has behaved as they did.

        If anything, being able to accept the flaws in their characters and yet still find those moments which can inspire seems to me to be far more of a measure of what it means to be a true fan, since both those nadirs and moments of true greatness are what makes a person or a team.

        In the case of Ferrari and its drivers, I am sure that you are aware that the team has had moments of greatness, but has also gone through periods of bitter tragedy, misfortune and farce – Enzo himself did not shy away from those moments, and in the end made the team what it was from being able to accept the failings of himself and his team. So, to that end, it should be like that with yourself and your attitude towards Ferrari’s drivers – being able to accept that your heroes are flawed and can make mistakes adds to those moments of stunning performance, because it is from being able to contrast with those low points that those moments of brilliance stand out.

    4. Still hard to call. It looks so different from each of the three drivers perspective. Stroll was on a normal line into the corner, but then doesn’t input any further steering angle which puts him ever so slightly off the racing line. 95% of the time that wouldn’t matter and has the right to do that on the slowing-down lap, but Vettel took the risk that he would follow the normal line and tried to sweep around him. Neither driver swerved massively towards the other, but you can see how something like this can happen. I think it was the right call not to reprimand either driver.

      1. +1

        Exactly my point above.

      2. +1

        That is exactly how I saw it as well..
        Especially when you look at it in 1/4 speed..

      3. The Stewards have acces to telemetry, right? Maybe they can see more clearly the angle of the steering, the speeds and more things to consider than just a distorted (the lenses on those camera are almost eye-fishes) view on that footage.

        1. They got a whole lot of tools that we don’t have, so on a whole I think they made the right call..
          I call it an unfortunate “after race” accident..
          Just a shame that a thing like this happened, because we should really focus on the racing side instead..

      4. Only Vettel swerved into Stroll. You cant seriously think Stroll has to share some of the blame. Brain fade from Vettel

      5. -100%

        Look at it again from the footage above in the article. It’s completely clear that Stroll does NOT go to the right. In fact he stays at exact the same distance to the inside of the corner all along.

        This was already clear from footage of Grosjean’s on-board camera actually. It’s only because Grosjean moves to the left and inside of Stroll that it gives the parallax illusion that Stroll moves to the right. But in that footage also, someone drew in the distance to the side of the track and it stays exactly the same for Stroll.

        Vettel however comes from the complete outside of the track and cuts back to the middle of the track. In doing so he rams into Stroll.

    5. Honestly, Seb needs to sit down for a race now, that could have been far, far more dangerous than it ended up.

      1. You forgot to mention that he’s also a bad example for the kids. Why everyone always forgets about the kids?

        1. PC has finally reached F1.

      2. Jack Shepherd
        5th October 2017, 19:04

        Seb was at least 3 and a half cars widths from the kerb. Stroll was a cars width away to start and ended up clipping Seb. It wasn’t intentional from either driver. Stroll wasn’t expecting a Ferrari on his outside so he drifted wide to pickup rubber, Seb wasn’t expecting Stroll to drift wide. Just 2 drivers thinking that because the race is over no incidents can occur.

        Obviously they were both wrong, they both should have been paying more attention. No-one deserves even a penalty point for this, let alone a ban. The incident itself is a reminder enough to stay focused even on the in-lap, maybe a reprimand for both drivers would be justified.

        F1 Fans are quickly becoming insufferable. In fact it’s long past that. There’s no reason or logic to 90% of these comments. Calling for a race ban every time a driver is involved in an incident. Grow up.

        When was the last time you remember a driver getting a race ban? Grosjean right? And that was for turning from the left hand side of the track to the right hand side of the track- even though he was on a straight- and there were cars to the right of him. That was a dangerous move. Neither driver here has deviated much from their course of action. If anything Stroll has.

        1. ResultantAsteroid
          7th October 2017, 1:38

          You are preaching on Mars, Jack. The comments show how some people can be strayed back and forth with videos and counter-videos posted on sites and TV stations. And the people fire their very sure verdicts, regardless what the stewards and FIA, who actually have the telemetry and all video feeds from different angles, have investigated and concluded. Maybe from now on, after each incident on track, the FIA should use fan surveys to give penalties, instead of scientific approach by professionals.
          I understand we are approaching the end of the championship and nerves are getting high, but … come on.

    6. Vettel has flaws like all drivers. He cracks under pressure a bit. MS did before him. Lewis is ragged when he’s not fighting for a podium. All this shows is that Vettel loses concentration sometimes.

      People who say things like’ this is not acceptable’ make me laugh. Its the sharp end of a high stakes sport, its the human element that makes us watch . Far from being ‘not acceptable’. Actually, its imperative we have human error as well as bravery, or we have no sport.

      1. What actually surprises me is that his driving seems to worsen actually.

        He was at his peak in 2013, since the it’s been downhill overall.

        1. Disagree, not a huge fan of Vettel but I have to say he was quality in 2015.

          1. And his direct competition was Kimi who had just been annihilated by Alonso….

            1. Michael Brown (@)
              5th October 2017, 16:46

              Doesn’t matter when Vettel was the only non-Mercedes winner that year

            2. As relevant as the VOC losing Taiwan to the then-losing Chinese dynasty

      2. This was during the slow down lap! Not part of the race. I think Seb has a problem when under pressure he sees the ‘red mist’. He was the same at Red Bull against Webber.

      3. Tony, if you’re referring to my comment, it is not acceptable from a fan point of view. I can defend “my” driver and have a partially biased opinion most of the time, but here we have a clear responsibility on him for not preserving the car. This is not acceptable because it is his only behavior this time that leads to the collision, not a concurrency of bad or borderline events outside his will.

        This also puts other events under a different light.

        1. Yes Matteo:

          Its very difficult sat on your sofa or in the stands to understand what pressure they feel. Its a long season, the cars are tougher this year, he’s at Ferrari, the arch panickers, and Lewis is merciless – as Nico has stated before. I’m sure hes very clear on his responsibility and the expectations from fans and from his employer. I think better phrasing is needed by you and others who stat it as ‘unacceptable’ – and by implication it was meant . Of course that’s just my opinion

      4. Apart from Baku which was clearly a fit of rage and was totally avoidable, I would agree that vettels incidents are similar to others we see sometimes. He loses concentration or he co concentrates too much and can’t see things around him… However what is unacceptable is his attitude. Every incident is someone else’s fault and he goes crazy about it claiming that the other driver is an idiot etc. He never just says “sorry, I buggered up”. I mean last year he went on a massive rage storm at Charlie whiting!

        1. Did you not listen to his radio after Singapore?

          1. Plus Charlie Whiting is definitely past his prime so easily forgiven…

    7. At impact time, it seems Stroll steering wheel is straight and he is not turning left anymore. In any case Vettel should have left more margin when overtaking even if it remains a non racing incident to me. Should have been avoided.

      Now they are defending harder to pick up some marble than on track (how many drivers have not put a fight during the Malaysian gp because it was not their race).

      1. On the picture before that he is still turning left and the crash is already unavoidable…

        1. Might as well be a reaction to the contact itself

          1. Michael Brown (@)
            5th October 2017, 16:47

            He can’t react to the contact before the contact.

      2. That’s because of the shunt with Vettel, stroll tries to keep his car from getting out of the road. If you watch the video you’ll see it pretty clearly.

    8. Amaizing the Williams kept going as if nothing had happened while the Ferrari was basically destroyed

      1. @fer-no65 It often seems that in these kind of front-wheel-to-rear-wheel impacts it’s the rear corner which takes the most damage. Of course the front wheels are able to pivot which perhaps absorbs some of the impact. This reminds me of the Senna-Mansell crash at Portugal in 1989 in that respect.

        1. It’s because of the rotation of the wheels. When the rear wheel contacts the back of the front wheel the front wheel is forced into the ground whereas the rear wheel is lifted up. The front wheel has no where to go so all the force is transferred to the rear wheel of the other car. The wheel surfaces at the contact point are traveling in opposite directions so the relative speeds between the surfaces is twice that of the ground speed. All adds up to a catastrophic incident when the wheel of the faster car hits the back of the wheel of the slower car. Same happened in Singapore between Kimi and Max.

          1. The front wheel is supported by the track, the rear wheel by air…

        2. @keithcollantine I think Jimbo and Jdoleofabre nailed it. It must be that, definetly.

      2. Yeah the Ferrari basically flew apart.

        As the race was over and they were on a slow down lap, Vettel should never have been that close to Stroll in the first place regardless of weather or not stroll may have drifted a few cm´s, which he probably did not anyway.

        Vettel needs a reality check before he or somebody else gets hurt.

        I like having him as the villain in F1 but enough is enough.

        1. I imagine it’s because the rear axle is the driven one

      3. Especially comparing to incidents like Hamilton vs Massa at the second chicane at Monza in 2010 which left the Ferrari perfectly intact while Hamiltons front axle collapsed.

        1. @unitedkingdomracing If I remember correctly, the slight horizontal tap on HAM’s front tyre broke the steering arm, not the actual suspension.

      4. Might be due to tire rotation and where the forces go, Seb rear tire is rotating down at the front of the tire, Stroll’s front is rotating up at the rear of the tire, this causes Seb’s rear to want to climb up Stroll’s front, in the Williams all these forces are sent directly to the ground not the suspension, on the Ferrari the forces have to be absorbed by the suspension as there is nothing above the tire to absorb it, just air. So the suspension colapses and the tire shoots up

    9. Having watched the video on sky a few times, I believe Vettel at fault. For Stroll he was indeed turning the corner and was just outside of the racing line and in no way steered into Vettel, just running wide for pick up. Where as Vettel was aiming at the apex and was not aware of what Stroll was doing, a momentary lapse of focus it would seem

    10. Two drivers weren’t really paying attention to one another after the race and bumped into each other. It’s embarrassing, but it’s hardly a big deal. Don’t see what the fuss is all about or why people seem desperate to find someone to blame or punish.

      1. Probably the most sensible way of putting it really.

        Still can’t quiet wrap my head around the fact that some people (cough SkyF1 twitter followers cough) seem to be suggesting that Vettel did this deliberately to escape the fact he was under-fuelled or using Kimi’s car.

        1. @davef1 I have come to learn anything is possible in f1…

        2. I run an electric vehicle racing event for kids in Australia. One of our regulations says that the onus is on the driver doing the overtaking to do so safely. They are behind, can see more than the driver who is being overtaken (as that driver is also looking ahead and not watching their mirrors 100% of the time) and therefore can choose where to go and how close to get to the car they going past.

          It’s simple really. We also ask the driver who is being overtaken to drive in a predictable manner. I reckon Stroll did drive in a predictable way. The crash was Vettel’s fault.

          If absolute amateurs, most of whom have never raced karts, can manage to follow those simple rules and yet a four time world champ cannot, to me there is no excuse for what Vettel did. Stupid move, he needs to cop some consequence as a result.

          Imagine if Pastor had done this?

      2. I completely agree. It was a (post)racing incident. Vettel probably should have given himself more room but it was just carelessness really.

        The huge fuss including this story really, is not merited.

      3. agreed, stupid non-event really

        Although Stroll is steering left, it’s not enough to maintain a constant radius turn and is actually going slightly right across the track
        anyway, TBH, surprised it doesn’t happen more, especially on the warm-up lap when they’re trying to get heat into the tyres !

      4. @mazdachris, But then why should Stroll be paying attention to someone ramming into him?

        It’s 100% clear from this footage that it’s was completely Vettel’s fault. Strool does clearly not move to the right. He stays on the same line even after Vettel rams into him.

        While Vettel clearly cuts back from the outside of the track to the apex and into Stroll.

    11. NyakwarSusanna
      5th October 2017, 11:16

      Vettel is a disgrace, frankly. This looks so deliberate, I’m tempted to believe the theories doing the rounds about ferrari not wanting their car to be subjected to a fuel sample test after the race.
      Are the stewards allowed to reopen investigations into incidents when new evidence emerges after they’ve issued a verdict?

      1. I wondered if Stroll did something to Vettel during the race perhaps. Maybe Stroll held Vettel up a bit while being lapped? It does look like an “intimidating move” from Vettel yes.

        Much like Maldonado did to Hamilton at Spa after Maldonado felt that he was held up by Hamilton. Which resulted in a similar crash.

    12. I have to ask why the Stewards did not have access to this video. And with the revelation that they only seem to look into an incident if it has been ‘reported’ to them, their usefulness seems to have diminished somewhat. Bit like a chocolate teapot.

      1. Maybe they just didn’t want to have to make a decision that might impact the title run in, like they did in Baku.

        1. @blackmamba But surely the stewards aren’t so stupid as to not realise that not making a decision affects the title as well?

        2. I appreciate that @blackmamba, but I can’t imagine a referee not blowing his whistle for a foul because he ‘didn’t want to make a decision that might impact the title run in’. After all, the referee is there to apply and uphold the rules and the Stewards are there to do exactly the same. Plus as @fluxsource points out, they already have influenced the title race.

      2. @nickwyatt

        I have to ask why the Stewards did not have access to this video.

        Because the stewards only have access to footage taken from live feeds from the FOM TV cameras, CCTV cameras & whatever in-car cameras FOM have live at any one time.
        While every car carries an in-car camera (The t-cam on the roll bar) Due to bandwidth limitations FOM can only have cameras on about half of the cars active at any one time.

        From the start of last year they were also able to record to the cars internal data recorder from both the t-cam & the fia safety camera that is infront of the driver looking back. However they are unable to gain access to that footage until it has been downloaded from the cars data recorder & they are unable to do that until some time after the race.

        1. Understood. But here was an incident that they were supposed to be investigating. Are you suggesting that the Stewards (who knew of the existence of this video coverage) didn’t bother to seek it out or request it before announcing their decision. Or is it that they saw this footage and still announced that it was ‘a racing incident’ and that only now has it come to public attention?

          1. @nickwyatt They would have known it could be made available & would have needed to request it & wait for FOM to download it from the car before been able to see it. It’s likely that they felt they didn’t need to see it.

            Don’t forget that the stewards have a lot more than video data to look at including all of the telemetry & GPS data from every car with ways of overlaying the data.

            Seeing video like this is useful for fans as its the only way we can see Stroll’s steering input, However the stewards would have been able to get the same (If not actually a better) idea of what Stroll was doing by looking at the steering trace (And other bits of telemetry) as well as the various 3D GPS overlay’s that they have available to them to them (Broadcasters actually have some of the same stuff but don’t use it).

    13. I disagree with @keithcollantine s explantion of the second picture. Here it seems Lance is already taking avoiding measures, having finally noticed Seb. He was moving away from the line on the left, this is him turning back. The picture is deceptive, I feel one needs to see the video to really get the picture. Can’t see it from Germany.

      1. Having seen the video, Stroll appears to keep a constant angle on the steering wheel but this is not enough to match the radius of the turn. As he starts turning before the track turns this makes him initially start moving to the left but as the corner tightens the car then starts moving right relative to the track. At the same time Vettel is overtaking and turning in towards the apex assuming Stroll to be doing the same. IMHO the stewards still got it right.

        1. It seems fairly straightforward to me. There is a third driver on the grassy knoll just outside of the