Alexander Albon, Toro Rosso, Circuit de Catalunya, 2019

Keeping same engine supplier “significant” for Toro Rosso

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In the round-up: Toro Rosso’s technical director Jody Egginton says not having to change engine supplier during the off-season for the first time in four years is a “significant” development for the team.

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The change in regulation has brought its challenges and we’ve also changed a lot of stuff in the background, the way we develop the car in the wind tunnel. The structure of the team’s changed a little bit, people coming, people going. We’ve really had a big evaluation after last year and thought about a lot of things. We’ve got quite a young engineering team but the guys have worked hard over the winter.

Importantly for Toro Rosso it’s the second year with the engine provider. This is significant for Toro Rosso. We do a lot of engine changing year-on-year historically which is a big challenge. This year we’ve not had that so the guys have been able to focus a bit more on really getting to grips with all the details, the all-important packaging. Everyone knows what to expect, there’s no curve balls. The relationship with Honda, we keep saying it, but genuinely it’s fantastic.

They’re a strong partner and they help us and they push along so we can really focus on some things. The reliability of the car’s been better. We’ve hit the ground in a reasonable state and the car build’s gone well. So so far, touch wood, we’ve been able to sort of move along and tick the boxes and answer a few questions probably a bit more successfully than last year when there was a new relationship.

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The radio news report, refereed to at the top of this article, is a genuine archive clip of a radio broadcast – it was a radio archive clip provided to us by the fantastic archive team working on this series – what fantastic research and sourcing they did. It was many months ago that this edit was first put together (by me), but I hope I remember correctly that the clip in question is taken from a BBC5 live radio broadcast.
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Jan Lammers, Volvo 850 estate, BTCC, 1994
Jan Lammers, Volvo 850 estate, BTCC, 1994

On this day in 1994 Volvo made the surprise announcement that it would enter the British Touring Car Championship with the estate version of its 850.

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  • 29 comments on “Keeping same engine supplier “significant” for Toro Rosso”

    1. Williams Now by Peter Windsor is very much worth the read. A candid assessment of their current state, how they got there and maybe how to get past it.

      1. Indeed, sadly it confirms my suspicions of what has been happening at Williams. Ferrari has put itself into the same situation several times and been able to rise again (credit LH) only with a new broom and a massive cash injection, unfortunately I don’t think Williams have the cash or the will to embark on that route to recovery. RIP Williams F1.

      2. Agreed, it’s a very enlightening article. Great read from someone with actual insight.

      3. Definitely worth a read.
        I can’t quite make out though who he’s pointing the finger at. Seems to be the age old story of a family run business that for the usual reasons has become quite dysfunctional.

        Obviously way more to the story than just an F1 team in disarray.

      4. There seems to be a lot of revisionist history occurring with Williams. Their decline started beginning in 2004 when Sir Frank was still running the show. There’s plenty of blame to go around but to say Williams would have be in a better place if Sir Frank were running things or if, as Peter Windsor suggests, the closest thing to Sir Frank, his son Jonny, were in charge, is disregarded the facts. Every now and then they overachieve, and that brings a smile to everyone’s face, but this is a team that has been in steady decline for close to two decades.

        1. Yeah. I don’t get all this recent revisionism. They have been bad for a long, long time now. I would even argue the decline started in ’98. They have something like 10 wins in the last 21 seasons. 9 of those in the 7 seasons between ’98 and ’04. How old was Claire back then 20? This is Frank’s team and when he goes so will the team. Reminds me of Tyrell.

          1. It also reminded me of people clamoring for Ron to come back and save McLaren @darryn ; a buzz, not the needed fix.

        2. Revisionist indeed. Especially the insinuation that Toto Wolff and Adam Parr not putting Johnnie in charge is what doomed Williams… they finished third in the championship in ’14 & ’15 (the car was good, but much credit to the Mercedes engines that Toto got them) for Pete’s sake! They slipped to 5th in ’16 & ’17 (Red Bull got it together & Force India stepped their game up) but if we’re honest, they didn’t start looking hopeless until last year.

      5. Yeah, it’s a good read, firmly directed at Williams current C-suite. No doubt he’ll be getting a few phone calls in the coming hours. Peter Windsor must have been a bit reluctant to write that given his links with the team, but he clearly thinks the time is ripe for a wake up call in Grove.

        That said, I don’t think simply replacing Claire Williams with Jonny Williams will immediately transform the team. Jonny has an encyclopaedic knowledge of Williams, right down to knowing which gearboxes ran in which FW08s, but what does that matter in modern F1? Claire has a different background and also served a racing apprenticeship, simply taking her out the picture won’t fix everything in the short term.

      6. it’s eye opening certainly, but I think his conclusion is naive. F1 teams cannot exist in the current climate without the money men, the corporate minds. it is undoubtedly a bad thing that ‘true racers’, as he calls it, are insufficient sidelined players, but in a paradigm where money is so unfairly distributed this is a sad necessity. as @g-funk said it’s not new – they’ve been losing ground ever since BMW ditched them. in recent years, williams had to rely on the likes of maldonado and stroll because they had to spend insane amounts of money simply to make it onto the grid – without an angel investor (e.g. Geni capital before renault, stroll’s racing point, even the mclaren shareholders and red bull parent company) the sport isn’t viable for teams.

        hence, the “non racers” – they make ruthless decisions to detriment of the team’s short and long-term sporting prospects, but the save the team from utter ruin and collapse. even that cannot continue forever.

    2. Love that boxy Volvo estate racer. In some ways it’s more sleek and elegant than the current gen of single-seat stretch limo F1 cars.

      1. It’s even funnier because modern f1 cars are half a meter longer than that volvo 850 estate…

        1. modern f1 cars are half a meter longer than that volvo 850 estate

          Ouch!

        2. @socksolid wow, that is worth thinking about. they do look like absolute boats from above. I’d love to see smaller, lighter F1 cars, but the current complex power units make that impossible, which is a real shame. the mclaren mp4/4 (1988) weighed 540kg!

      2. They actually raced with a family of 5 and a couple of labradors in the back, did pretty well.

    3. What was the story about the NEEEUM thingy? There’s an official statement from Liberty Media account about ‘sonic identity’ but doesn’t explain anything.

      1. @ruliemaulana – I thought @jimmi-cynic was joking in this comment y’day, but turns out he wasn’t.

        I think this will be the sound snippet used either to transition from/to the broadcast to the F1 logo (e.g. think of cutting away to ads during FP/quali), or it’ll be used to transition to a full-screen information screen during the race.

        The only memory of NEEEUM that I have is during the 2018 US GP there was someone (a vocal artist?) making those racecar sounds. Liberty apparently thought that was a thing worthy of inclusion on the broadcast. Not pre/post race, during the actual race! Back then, I thought that one of the cameras was accidentally picking up the audio from a playful kid nearby, but no, it was intentional.

        1. @phylyp Lucky you… You knew it was racecar sounds. I had to google it, and the only NEEEUM I found is an old Indian Tamil song…

          1. @ruliemaulana – ha ha, I realize that “Neeum” translates to “You too!” in Tamil. And that’s in a romantic sense, not as an opposite of #MeToo :)

            Here’s the sound from the US GP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mztna-4IeLw
            And here’s the chap making that sound: https://twitter.com/lbaeza06/status/1057834937263497216?s=21

            1. LOL… I never seen that…

        2. @phylyp: I never joke about the serious negotiations by Liberty to obtain the rights to a 3 second remix for F1 sonic identity purposes. Or maybe it’s the full soundtrack for their proposed shortened race weekend.

          Here’s the track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UWX0_ikJ0Q

    4. I was more excited than I should have been seeing a picture of a Volvo 850 Estate in the round-up…

      1. @geemac Me too :-)

        For the young ‘uns, as I recall it was (apologies in advance) part of a corporate strategy to shake off the image that Volvos had at the time of being slow, boring cars of the sort that an ageing parent might drive. Estate cars doubly so, so to take their estate car racing was in my opinion a stroke of genius. And quite quick too I think.

        1. Indeed, it was primarily a marketing exercise but if I recall there were minor aerodynamic advantages to running the estate rather than the saloon as well.

    5. The Chemical Brothers, I had never even heard of them before.

      1. @jerejj
        Really now? Admittedly, they’ve gone awfully quiet for the last decade or so, but they were all over the radio in the early noughties, when British trip hop’s popularity went from insular to global.

        1. @jerejj They were famous enough a few years ago that one of their songs (“Galvanize”) ended up in the opening ceremony for the London 2012 Olympics. However, it’s not the targeting of youth that appears to be the intent, because they’ve been recording since 1989 and I believe a lot of their audience is in their 40s. Granted, that’s younger than the mid-50s average for many motorsports series, but it’s still younger than the average age of a human on planet Earth (which, last I heard, was 37).

      2. “The Chemical Brothers, I had never even heard of them before.”
        They will never achieve the greatness of Fleetwood Mac. For all of Fleetwood Mac’s musical transitions, traumas, loves found and lost, their excesses, Fleetwood Mac, even now in their dotage are touring, selling out and would easily fill every F1 stadium.
        For most of us old gits “The Chain” was, is, and always will be the signature sound of F1.

        Now that would be a proper promotional deal, a mega group like the Mac or the Eagles to play ALL the F1 races. 21 races these guys do hundreds!

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