Shwartzman and Giovinazzi to share Ferrari F1 reserve driver duties

15 comments on “Shwartzman and Giovinazzi to share Ferrari F1 reserve driver duties”

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   Proesterchen (@proesterchen)
   20th January 2023, 0:53

   Of course, they’d want the F1 entry to become a long-term project. It’s just the opportunity to pay everyone involved a tidy profit from borrowing against the value of said entry would take momentary priority.
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      PeterG
      20th January 2023, 2:12

      @proesterchen Did a member of the Andretti family do something to you as you seem ridiculously against them getting a spot on the grid.

      I’d much rather see a team like Andretti on the grid, A team founded and run by people with a long history and passion for the sport over a big manufacturer run by a board that has no history, passion or knowledge of the sport who see F1 as a marketing exercise and will pull out as soon as the board grows tired of spending the money.
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         SteveR
         20th January 2023, 2:47

         +1. Yep, wondering the same thing, seems really weird.
      2. 

         SjaakFoo (@sjaakfoo)
         20th January 2023, 6:24

         If there’s a negative take to be had, this poster will post it. Take that for what it is.
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         Proesterchen (@proesterchen)
         20th January 2023, 10:08

         you seem ridiculously against them getting a spot on the grid.

         I am against handing out hundreds of millions of dollars in value to any investment group that has done diddly-squad for Formula 1, regardless of the name of the person fronting it.

         And yes, that explicitly excepts some car makers if they chose to try and enter Formula 1 as a works effort.
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   Jere (@jerejj)
   20th January 2023, 1:25

   Reserve driver role will become redundant over time (especially for Gio), considering the low likelihood of either racing in F1 full-time.

   De Vries’ case is weird.

   Re COTD: Realistically, only Team Hinwill, although Audi’s influence from next year might affect by Mick got a chance instead.
   I highly doubt about Mclaren & AT in any case, while Haas & Williams have different medium to long-term plans, especially the latter, & even Alpine woiuldn’t be a given, even if Ocon-Gasly failed & as a result, separated after only a single season.
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      SjaakFoo (@sjaakfoo)
      20th January 2023, 7:27

      Just a disagreement. I guess Will couldn’t get the full picture due to it being a Dutch source.

      Basically, De Vries was loaned 250.000 Euro in 2018 by a real estate mogul, the deal was for it to be loaned at 3% yearly interest and to be repaid only if he became a F1 driver by the 2022 season. It also included a payment of half his F1 income (I guess only for the years up to and including 2022, or just a single year, the article is not clear on the specifics). The dispute is, of course, on the specifics of what constitutes being an “F1 driver.” Technically he drove a race, so the mogul says the deal is on. De Vries and his team say he didn’t have a full-time drive so it doesn’t count that he subbed for a race. De Vries’s camp then offered to pay back the 250.000 along with 192.000 that was already paid over the past years (assuming that’s the interest + half of his income made in F1 as a Mercedes test driver and/or the money he got for the one-off race), the mogul declined and now it’s going before a judge in a “Kort Geding” (fast-track judgement by a judge, not a full trial unless the judge rules that he cannot judge on this).

      So tl;dr it’s a disagreement about wording and nothing major, they’ll sort it out.

      Famously, Robert Doornbos also had a disagreement over money with a real estate mogul (Harry Muermans), as did Jos Verstappen (also Muermans). Unfortunately, as you can tell, these people generally don’t have the best reputations and are best avoided. This is why motorsport is such a terrible sport to get into, unless you come from wealth, you’re constantly having to look for money from shady people and make deals with them just to get a shot at F1.
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      Maisch (@maisch)
      20th January 2023, 7:41

      With the lack of seats in F1 i think it would be a good idea to have more practice sessions dedicated to reserve drivers only. That would make the role much more important and not only talented drivers sitting on a bench, they would get actual F1 experience instead.
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         Jere (@jerejj)
         20th January 2023, 9:36

         @maisch I agree & test/reserve driver role was more useful back in the days of unlimited testing.
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      MacLeod (@macleod)
      20th January 2023, 7:50

      De Vries case is very wierd as he wasn’t in 2022 but I think the Judge are going de Vries way as he offered to pay the loan with interest back but was refused. If he think he gets millions by sueing de Vries he don’t the Dutch jurisdiction very well.
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         Proesterchen (@proesterchen)
         20th January 2023, 10:11

         as [Nyck de Vries] offered to pay the loan with interest back but was refused

         Depending on the terms of the loan, that might be a pittance compared to the piece of Nyck’s future earnings his investor might be due.
   4. 

      bernasaurus (@bernasaurus)
      20th January 2023, 11:28

      We haven’t seen the contract that Nyck signed, so it’s almost impossible to speculate. It might help a bit being a lawyer with an understanding of the dutch legal system (which I’m not). But someone has turned down a lot of money in the belief they’ll win in court, no good lawyer would advise doing such a thing unless there is more than a 60% chance of winning.

      I doubt Nyck is too bothered. He is in F1, I don’t think these things count towards the cost cap and he is Red Bull property now. When he signed with Marko, I think such things become RB’s problem. And they have a cheque book with lots of zeros.

      I can’t remember what the figures were when I learnt teams entry fees is dependant on points scored the previous season, but Max needlessly scoring wins and points in the later part of last season would be far more expensive than bailing Nyck out if he loses.
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   UNeedAFinn2Win (@uneedafinn2win)
   20th January 2023, 7:49

   The DeVries -story is missing the important bit: The suit is for 50% of his F1 earnings. HALF.
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      Proesterchen (@proesterchen)
      20th January 2023, 10:21

      If that’s what he gave away for a 250k € loan, that’s what he gave away for a 250k € loan.
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   Qeki (@qeki)
   20th January 2023, 18:08

   Thanks for the COTD @willwood
   Wasn’t expecting for my 5th

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